No more room for hatred - Coeur d'Alene Press: Editorial No more room for hatred

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Posted: Sunday, May 5, 2013 12:00 am

We could point to the number of complaints readers of have registered against obnoxious comments and those who write them, but we won't.

We could argue that page views of online comments, one source of funding that allows us to offer readership of free, has dropped because of the obnoxious comments and those who write them. But we won't do that, either.

Instead, we will admit that Press administrators have banned about a dozen frequent commenters from posting their thoughts on because we can no longer stomach the vile nature of their postings, from gut-wrenchingly racist remarks to thinly veiled threats of public officials.

For years, The Press has offered online readers the opportunity to share their thoughts and ideas with few restrictions in the hopes that open, honest discussion of important issues would lead to greater understanding and better decision making. And for the most part, it's worked. It's worked except in a handful of cases where individuals consistently spew hatred and do their utmost to render honest, open discussion of diverse ideas impossible.

Respectful disagreement? Hardly. This handful of visitors seems to thrive on personally assailing those who disagree with them, of glorifying bigotry and racism, of jabbing sticks in the spokes of progress in the sort of civil discourse our nation's founders envisioned more than 200 years ago. So we did what many other newspapers are doing with their incorrigible posters: We kicked them to the cyber curb.

A common complaint from those who have been banned is that The Press is exercising censorship, striking a blow against the First Amendment it purports to defend. We see it very differently. We believe that by encouraging them to find other outlets for their anxiety, we're actually supporting the rest of the public's right to free speech because these antagonists can no longer bully or disgust conscientious citizens right off the page.

Almost immediately, the comment section of news stories, letters to the editor and other content took on a more civil, constructive tone. There's still plenty of disagreement; there's even occasional anger, but it's being disbursed with at least a modicum of respect for its intended targets.

To the many, many readers who have told us they abandoned the comment sections long ago, we invite you to revisit a place that we've tried to fashion into more of a conference room than a coliseum. We still have barking dogs, but no more bloodthirsty lions.

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  • whatwillbe53 posted at 7:05 am on Wed, May 15, 2013.

    whatwillbe53 Posts: 178

    there can be no hatred in a one-sided discussion, only a lot of backslapping.

  • local res posted at 11:32 am on Fri, May 10, 2013.

    local res Posts: 1165

    Dan English your comment "A large number of comments, mostly in favor of the Press action. I think that serves most of us well and I commend the Press for their decision and follow through".

    With the press now censoring comments how do we know if there where comments that the CDA Press removed because they disagreed? That is the problem when censoring begins. What and whom to trust, I think the press made a mistake.

  • sierra posted at 4:14 pm on Thu, May 9, 2013.

    sierra Posts: 81

    It is not good to just block peoples' view out. Although I agree about doing something, maybe limit comments to one per article. It is a comment section not a discussion board. Rants and raves on craigslist seems like a better place to just go off like some do. To those that are offended by what people say go hide in your house and stick your head under a pillow or deal with it.

    Why do people thrive on politics. These political nut jobs want to turn everthing into Left and Right. All of you are a joke. do you know what you sound like to the majority. Broken recods. Fools. all of you.

    Under democracy one party always devotes its chief energies to trying to prove that the other party is unfit to rule - and both commonly succeed, and are right - H.L. Mencken, 1956

  • IdahoJoey posted at 12:36 pm on Thu, May 9, 2013.

    IdahoJoey Posts: 343

    With freedom comes responsibility. Those who have been banned seem to have forgotten that.

  • Mahiun posted at 7:43 am on Thu, May 9, 2013.

    Mahiun Posts: 5319

    It's all relative.....

    Remember, this area is one of the most far-right-wing parts of the country. A sampling of letters to the editor of the Press and the comments that follow, the voting records and patterns of the area, and the candidates this area elects, quickly show that prevailing socio-political attitudes around Coeur d'Alene are far to the right of most of America --- in some cases, representing such a small minority as to be considered "fringe".

    With that as your frame of reference, even politically moderate or centre-right positions are going to appear to be "liberal". Essentially, anything that is not extreme right is going to appear to be extreme left. When you occupy the far-right end of the spectrum, EVERYTHING is left of you, after all....

    But even more often, in these parts, "liberal" is just used a generalized insult, meaning anything and everything from, "I don't like you" to "I disagree with what you said" to "You took my parking space at Costco the other day" to "I have no idea what you're talking about, but I'm too embarrassed to admit that."

  • whatwillbe53 posted at 5:22 pm on Wed, May 8, 2013.

    whatwillbe53 Posts: 178

    The scales of justice have been tilted towards the progressive minds. Dan, maybe you are bemoaning the reality that you didn't get to correct your oversight and are now exposed.

    I have no problem with diversity. I do have a MAJOR PROBLEM with reverse discrimination.
    I continue to see derogatory, snarky remarks and news/editorials that remain posted.
    It is a sad day in CDA.

  • Dan English posted at 11:09 pm on Tue, May 7, 2013.

    Dan English Posts: 170

    Hey thanks, maybe you can let me know who you are some time and I'll but you a beer, or coffee, or a pop and have a good visit.

  • Dan English posted at 10:52 pm on Tue, May 7, 2013.

    Dan English Posts: 170

    A large number of comments, mostly in favor of the Press action. I think that serves most of us well and I commend the Press for their decision and follow through.

  • parent posted at 7:54 pm on Tue, May 7, 2013.

    parent Posts: 347

    I have not seen any change, in fact I can think of a blog just days ago that was WAY out of line and I did not take the time to log in and report.
    I also have a huge problem with the snarky letter that was allowed to run today. Words mean nothing if there is no action.

  • IdahoNative posted at 6:28 pm on Tue, May 7, 2013.

    IdahoNative Posts: 43

    Anyone can be banned. And they can turn around and sign back up under a different username and email address. Problem not solved, sorry.

  • searcher posted at 4:45 pm on Tue, May 7, 2013.

    searcher Posts: 365

    Brent Regan: I guess there is a limit to how many "reply" buttons you get... In response to your response to my response (way down below)... Glad to hear you are open minded. I wish more ultra-conservatives shared your congeniality. Maybe we could actually, I don't know, find some common ground? Better understand just exactly how and why we are for or against different policy? Maybe even find a reason to give the other credit for a good idea once in awhile? When I have evidence that there are more out there than you, I might come out of the closet!

  • searcher posted at 4:36 pm on Tue, May 7, 2013.

    searcher Posts: 365

    How can you possible think anything the Cda Press says or does is liberal?? Especially when the number one banner add is for talk radio featuring Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh... give me a break. What do you want them to do, publish the same rubbish that World Net Daily is famous for, or Drudge or InfoWars or... max power??

  • whatwillbe53 posted at 2:35 pm on Tue, May 7, 2013.

    whatwillbe53 Posts: 178

    Max! Thanks for the laugh. Can you provide a source for this news?
    I was wondering where that "constantly jabbing sticks in the spokes" comment came from.

  • Truthful posted at 2:25 pm on Tue, May 7, 2013.

    Truthful Posts: 135

    This article from the CDA Press is quite disingenuous at best!!!! Are they getting ready for "civil discourse" in a non partisan trustee race and CDA City Council and Mayoral race - trying to "set the tone" so to speak? Where were they when lies were published against a Republican leader? They printed the lies. Where were they during the last legislator election when they allowed and encouraged a candidate to have their own column? Where were they when the voting public was often ridiculed by the "enlightened ones" because of their view? The track record of the CDA Press is far from being unbiased - but of course, they never claimed to be - did they?

  • max power posted at 2:03 pm on Tue, May 7, 2013.

    max power Posts: 559

    *** Napolitano "Big Sis": I'm In Control Of The Internet & Newspaper Comments Section ***

    Washington, D.C. - The United States Senate announced today that their new "Internet Control Bill" will place Homeland Security Chief and pant suit maven with the butch haircut Janet Napolitano in charge of controlling the internet and small town newspaper comment sections.

    "As you know we already control the main stream media and a large majority of the print press. Napolitano has been task with monitoring smaller newspapers comment sections to make sure that we have have internet neutrality. We define internet neutrality to be 5 liberal progressive socialist activist comments per 1 right-wing extremist one," said Senator Harry Reid.

    Big Sis Napolitano, wearing her latest pant suit embroidered with the Hammer & Sickle, informed those in attendance that she had been given the discretion to "throw the switch" in an effort to protect the integrity of Obama and his policies. "We can't fundamentally change America if we have right-wing extremists constantly jabbing sticks in the spokes of our Dear Leaders social engineering and social justice programs," said Napolitano. She went on to state that it had become imperative to monitor and if need be to shut-down any seditious use of newpaper comment sections that could/would effect the rightful elections of liberals and secular progressives.

    "We know if these small newspapers don't fall in line and get on board then we have the power to shut them down. We only want positive Obama comments. We don't want disparging remarks about sexual perverts redefining the institution of marriage, amnesty for illegal alien invaders or remarks about the ever increasing costs of Obamacare," said Napolitano. She went to define a right-wing extremist as a white socially productive member of society that pays taxes and owns a bible, gun(s), a house, car(s) and is financially responsible and wants less government and taxes...

  • NAS4AH2 posted at 1:43 pm on Tue, May 7, 2013.

    NAS4AH2 Posts: 71

    well well; I'm not DEAD as far as the CDA press comment section goes; for now. I don't who was censored and maybe Joe is sitting this one out. I'm not always on here. I never really saw anything he said that was so utterly offensive he should be banned entirely. I could see striking an individual comment as needed but to ban someone who was simply speaking his opinion and many times defending himself on here is ridiculous. I don't feel he was any further right than some of the libs on here are left. Anyhow, can you please fix the thread so the comments post in order? This is the only comment section I'm ever on where I have to decipher the order the comments were entered by the context of the comment. I also second the "like" button.

  • skunkworks posted at 12:18 pm on Tue, May 7, 2013.

    skunkworks Posts: 252


  • Bob Loblaw posted at 9:30 am on Tue, May 7, 2013.

    Bob Loblaw Posts: 407

    It's your paper - not a 1st Amendment forum. So just exactly where do you draw the line now? Slippery slope and all that . . . Trolls are best ignored; not banned.

  • heatherfeather posted at 8:34 am on Tue, May 7, 2013.

    heatherfeather Posts: 297

    Well..I guess I made the cut (hee-hee). I do notice that several names who posted on EVERY story, and always managed to insert their political party views regardless of the issue at hand, are not commenting here, so I suspect they got the axe. Too many discussions were turning into playground shouting matches ("my dad can beat up your dad!") sorts of things. <3

  • Humanist posted at 7:51 am on Tue, May 7, 2013.

    Humanist Posts: 3163

    Just how many pseudonyms do you have Rev?

  • Cdajon posted at 10:36 pm on Mon, May 6, 2013.

    Cdajon Posts: 447

    The press is a great paper. Good reporters... Well written. I especially like the splash of Blue on the front page... Mr. Hagadones favorite color.. And since it's his paper he can have blue on the front.. Just like he can ax nasty comments and the people who write them.

  • fishingal posted at 10:19 pm on Mon, May 6, 2013.

    fishingal Posts: 1

    I am a new subscriber and have lived several places in the US , and C d'A is so beautiful, a paradise to us outdoor folks , and I tip my fishing hat to the Press for having the courage to take a stand in a Red state area, that has many newcomers, some perhaps not so conservative in views, and more accepting of diverse opinions and ideas .

    Can't we all just get along?

    Being civil to others in a debate is OK !

    Clinging to your own liberal or conservative ideas is OK !

    We are all Americans and the Declaration of Independence wasn't created without many arguments and some tempers along the way , but they all yielded out of respect to each other to gain the big picture of our documents which are so frequently espoused here .

    Come, let us all calm down, make an effort to realize it can't be all our way and if others see it different , then that is OK.

    We all are good folks and care about other and each other . Lets make an effort to show it more ?

    Cheers to the Press ! "Hear hear " !

  • opinionatedB posted at 9:13 pm on Mon, May 6, 2013.

    opinionatedB Posts: 76

    It did get to the point for me that I wouldnt read alot of comments because they were so ignorant that it would make me want to jump thru my screen and ring they're necks. Then I thought one day, I bet some of those people would blog and drink alcohol/drugs at the same time. That is the only thing I could come up with that would explain the stuff they posted. LOL I wish that your comment section just had a like button we could press when we see a good post by someone. I do see alot of comments that are posted by sane normal thought provoking people, and the ones that have a sense of humor are awesome.

  • concernedcitizen posted at 8:26 pm on Mon, May 6, 2013.

    concernedcitizen Posts: 2530

    Dan English

    I commend you though we have disagreed a lot. You have at least came here to represent your belief. My hat is of to you.

  • whatwillbe53 posted at 8:25 pm on Mon, May 6, 2013.

    whatwillbe53 Posts: 178

    the negative comments against DANIELLE CURSON are evidence enough.

    "If she is that fragile", and it gets worse. Especially the last comment by DCINDIAHO.

    "They are only, and appropriately, trying to OPEN it."

    So it is acceptable to force your opinions and diversity on someone wanting a degree.
    Mahiun is another rude commenter trying to make higher education a social experiment.
    She gets it from "Bible studies and gay pride clubs alike."

    If you click on a commentators name, you can see what kind of ideas they align with.

    As I said before, consistency would be appropriate.
    Idaho traded one hate group for another even more vile.
    This time it will be violence against impressionable minds with the intent to neuter unwanted ones.

  • Peter posted at 8:12 pm on Mon, May 6, 2013.

    Peter Posts: 675

    Kudos...kudos CdA Press.

  • Dan English posted at 8:10 pm on Mon, May 6, 2013.

    Dan English Posts: 170

    From experience, I know you can't do it in every case but I would have liked to have seen more, if not most of the elected officials at least comment on-line some of the time. I always thought responding to peoples input or questions was one of my highest obligations.

  • LTRLTR posted at 7:52 pm on Mon, May 6, 2013.

    LTRLTR Posts: 1171

    LOL Born in Bonners: Look at your posted comment from 4 months ago.

  • CaiusCosades posted at 6:34 pm on Mon, May 6, 2013.

    CaiusCosades Posts: 380

    I would guess that joe idaho is one of the banned? Maybe Justin Cotrell too? Anyone know anyone else who got banned?

  • concernedcitizen posted at 6:12 pm on Mon, May 6, 2013.

    concernedcitizen Posts: 2530

    Look at some of the comments here. There is a holier than thou elitist attitude that because one is grammatically challenged, are not a walking dictionary, emotion driven, financially challenged or are not college educated, their opinion has less meaning.

    If you read, it is called COMMENTS.

    1com·ment noun \ˈkä-ˌment\

    Definition of COMMENT

    : commentary
    : a note explaining, illustrating, or criticizing the meaning of a writing
    a : an observation or remark expressing an opinion or attitude
    b : a judgment expressed indirectly

    I have said it before and I will say it until my dying day, I will take just ONE uneducated person with "COMMON SENSE" over a thousand educated (cant use that word anymore) without common sense any day.

    Bottom line, even the most (your choice) challenged taxpayer is STILL a taxpayer and has the right to question the motives of our government and their stakeholder friends.

  • DeNiles posted at 4:33 pm on Mon, May 6, 2013.

    DeNiles Posts: 2450

    Y'know if there's to be any new rule I'd suggest we make it mandatory for our elected officials to interact on-line when articles pertain to their official activities.

  • Humanist posted at 4:20 pm on Mon, May 6, 2013.

    Humanist Posts: 3163

    Gotta love the fallacious logic from the "they're the real intolerant bigots because they won't tolerate the bigots" crowd...... What a joke.

  • Born in Bonners posted at 3:50 pm on Mon, May 6, 2013.

    Born in Bonners Posts: 72

    No, LTRLTR, I did not write that. Joe Idaho must be your alter ego?

  • imisscda posted at 3:44 pm on Mon, May 6, 2013.

    imisscda Posts: 86

    Thanks for stating that. The only reason I read The Press is for the comments! The Statesman has some pretty cleaver commentators as well.

  • whatwillbe53 posted at 3:33 pm on Mon, May 6, 2013.

    whatwillbe53 Posts: 178

    Who has the job of defining, "progress", the editors of a newspaper.

    With the current momentum by the Human Rights Education Institute pushing forced diversity down the gullets of hard working residents of North Idaho,

    it seems likely that advocates for HREI volunteered to be the Cyber Cops bent on curbing any vocal or written comments opposed to their agenda.

    "Hate is okay as long as it comes from US" - that is HREI!

  • pmatthews posted at 3:21 pm on Mon, May 6, 2013.

    pmatthews Posts: 2

    I applaud the move. Maybe after rediscovering the meaning of 'civil discourse,' we can even go on to find out what our parents meant when they used that phrase "She/He showed the courage of their convictions." The first step probably involves publicly acknowledging a conviction. It's hard to credit a person for "strongly supporting" a belief that they don't want to be personally associated with.

  • Humanist posted at 3:11 pm on Mon, May 6, 2013.

    Humanist Posts: 3163

    That is EXACTLY why I remain anonymous. All it takes is 30 seconds on the public, free Kootenai County Assessor web site to find any property owners physical address by their name.

  • Always Curious posted at 3:09 pm on Mon, May 6, 2013.

    Always Curious Posts: 491

    Truth is truth regardless of the source.

    The nasty comments were seen as what they were and ignored by most.

    Requiring real names is kind of like asking Paul Revere for ID.

  • Brent Regan posted at 3:08 pm on Mon, May 6, 2013.

    Brent Regan Posts: 664

    Yes I can. I have been in that exact position. I had an employee who had diametrically opposite political views to mine, and he made a point of sharing them frequently. He was also a very productive employee and received pay, advancement and bonuses commensurate with his ability. When other employees saw that he was treated based on performance and not sucking-up to the boss they were inspired to perform as well.

  • 5inPfs posted at 3:06 pm on Mon, May 6, 2013.

    5inPfs Posts: 749

    Ahem...repeat of response to this from below.

    I respectfully disagree with making everyone use their own names.

    For every one blogger on here, there are surely four "lurkers". Just because certain people can't post anymore, doesn't mean they aren't reading the comments.

    I prefer NOT to expose myself and my family to someone who didn't/doesn't agree with my comments and has obvious access to the internet. One of the first rules of safe internet use is to protect yourself by not sharing too much personal information. My name is pretty personal.

  • BorneNIdaho posted at 2:19 pm on Mon, May 6, 2013.

    BorneNIdaho Posts: 142

    Maybe if people were to be forced to comment under their real name, as is the policy for letters to the editor, we wouldn't have this problem.

  • LTRLTR posted at 2:11 pm on Mon, May 6, 2013.

    LTRLTR Posts: 1171

    Dave Chamberlain: I reviewed some of your online posts at the various Citizens for Positive Change, DFO Blog and Facebook. All your comments are public and I would think you are a democrat who feels some pain.

  • LTRLTR posted at 1:57 pm on Mon, May 6, 2013.

    LTRLTR Posts: 1171

    Born in Bonners: Is this your comment "It just kills me when I see this drivel from the angry old white Republican men in this Taliban ran state of ours." The Cda. Press was addressing the angry comments such as yours. Think about it before you start your belittling.

  • LTRLTR posted at 1:48 pm on Mon, May 6, 2013.

    LTRLTR Posts: 1171

    Straight up: I understand your concern. The Spokesman Review blog controls the outcome of blog comments. And I believe the Press controls the type of community news reported. So perhaps everyone has an agenda to control what is released.

  • searcher posted at 1:25 pm on Mon, May 6, 2013.

    searcher Posts: 365

    When one's career and livelihood are the choice over social capital and respect, which would you choose? Think about it Mr. Regan... You are a business owner. If one of your employees disagreed with your political ideology as much as I do, can you honestly tell me it would make no difference to you when choosing to reward or replace that employee? Even if you wouldn't fire the individual, they would likely be subconsciously excluded from any advancement opportunities. No. I can take your lack of respect for my ideas, thoughts and opinions much more than I can take the risk of standing in the unemployment line (that you would like to eliminate).

  • Dillard Jenkins posted at 12:56 pm on Mon, May 6, 2013.

    Dillard Jenkins Posts: 14

    Invidious statements are made to arouse resentment and anger, not to demonstrate keen mental discernment and good judgment.

  • Jeff Ward posted at 12:46 pm on Mon, May 6, 2013.

    Jeff Ward Posts: 6

    Mr. Chamberlain, Why are attacking a mythical smear with a real one. Reagan Republicans do not have a website where it is possible for people to post smears because there is no comment posting on our informational website. Please smear someone else.

  • voxpop posted at 12:26 pm on Mon, May 6, 2013.

    voxpop Posts: 738

    Too bad. The comments are ALWAYS more entertaining than the articles, even though grammar, spelling, truth, and coherence are similar.

  • Ziggy posted at 11:59 am on Mon, May 6, 2013.

    Ziggy Posts: 1209

    Probably the reason most people write under 'pen names" IS the anger and hate spewed by those angry few. People who are so irrational in print are likely to be just that in real life and there is a concern that one of the angry, hating people will hunt you down if they don't like your comment. They have said many times that they are heavily armed.

  • straight up posted at 11:50 am on Mon, May 6, 2013.

    straight up Posts: 960


    fingers crossed............. :)

    Editor - your paper, your call.

    I don't disagree with your reeling things in a bit if you see the need for it. I just pray that you don't do as the overtly one-side Spokane paper's blog did and drive the voice of dissent away and leave the cheerleader, rah-rah, crowd behind for all things City Council and LCDC related

    This one passage perplexes me, "of jabbing sticks in the spokes of progress". I don't quite know what to make of it. "Who has the job of defining, "progress", the editors of a newspaper?

    I hope I'm wrong and this doesn't mean that the press is going to ban comments that are not fully supportive of tax funded projects just because the comments may be persistent and not, "go away." If so, there goes the value of offering a forum to the citizens. I trust this paper to not go this route and l am probbaly just reading too much into this passage; sure hope so at least.

  • Born in Bonners posted at 11:21 am on Mon, May 6, 2013.

    Born in Bonners Posts: 72

    I'm so glad that the CDA Press decided to do this. I quit posting some time ago because it was the same weary people saying the same weary things. I hope Joe Idaho was one that went away.

  • Patrick Krapfl posted at 11:13 am on Mon, May 6, 2013.

    Patrick Krapfl Posts: 13

    Although I am on the fence about banning individuals and limiting "free speech" I have to admit that sometimes it was like trying to debate with a 3rd grader with some of these posters. In that spirit, I will be using my real name for comments from now on, previously known as FromNIdaho.

  • Screen Name posted at 11:10 am on Mon, May 6, 2013.

    Screen Name Posts: 905

    Thank you CDA Press.

    As to the use of real names vs. pseudonyms - Many famous historical figures have written under a pseudonym, including Benjamin Franklin, Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, John Jay, and Samuel Clemons. While my meager contribution to the body of the written word is far less than that of those mentioned above, the fact that I choose to contribute under a pseudonym is consistent with our literary history and renders my contribution no less relevant than that posted by individuals under their actual name.

    To deny the same would be to deny that the written works of those mentioned above, and authored under a pseudonym, had a significant impact on our Nation's development and history.

  • DaveChamberlain posted at 10:46 am on Mon, May 6, 2013.

    DaveChamberlain Posts: 17

    Oh, so you know what I am talking about, good.

  • 5inPfs posted at 10:16 am on Mon, May 6, 2013.

    5inPfs Posts: 749

    I respectfully disagree with making everyone use their own names.

    For every one blogger on here, there are surely four "lurkers". Just because certain people can't post anymore, doesn't mean they aren't reading the comments.

    I prefer NOT to expose myself and my family to someone who didn't/doesn't agree with my comments and has obvious access to the internet. One of the first rules of safe internet use is to protect yourself by not sharing too much personal information. My name is pretty personal.

  • Cookie posted at 9:33 am on Mon, May 6, 2013.

    Cookie Posts: 90

    Not to be impolite but this is bothering me slightly. "Loose" = opposite of tight. "Lose" = opposite of gain. That is all.

  • Brent Regan posted at 8:17 am on Mon, May 6, 2013.

    Brent Regan Posts: 664

    Well, ain’t this just a Kumbaya moment. I respect Randy for using his real name. And yes, the quote is a Regan original.

    If you wish to earn and bank the social capital called ‘respect’ you should deposit it in a secure account. If you tie it to a pseudonym then it is only one keystroke from vanishing. If you tie it to your name, good or bad, it will endure and, more importantly, exist outside cyberspace.

  • librtyhuntr posted at 8:01 am on Mon, May 6, 2013.

    librtyhuntr Posts: 317

    Some letters are inglorious,grow up get over it they are only words. What I would like to know are the powers to be still going to write those italicizesd words on the top of the opinion page,some I would say consider them so much jabberwocky.

  • whatwillbe53 posted at 12:16 am on Mon, May 6, 2013.

    whatwillbe53 Posts: 178

    The Press has the right to enforce its online comment policy. Consistency would be helpful.

    reference a letter to the editor today: COLLEGE: Matter of forced diversity

    As concernedcitizen opined, life in general is forced diversity these days. Right to free speech is moot if you value your survivability here. I was once told that this was a small city that never forgets.

    The real story behind this editorial is falling revenue and community image. The old, worn out flap about the Aryans keeping a group of doctors from visiting is telling. Human Rights Education Institute has been pushing the forced diversity button repeatedly.

    Will anyone speak for the average guy who is losing his home due to the economy and lack of meaningful jobs? Will anyone speak against corruption and graft that presently disrupts our downtown and boat launch for the benefit of wealthy adjacent residents? didn't think so.

    to answer your question concernedcitizen: no one will report the political abuse by our city council. There may be hope with the mayor not running again and others up for reelection. The corruption may be so entrenched that it will take ten more years of scrutiny to purge forced disparity and restore a healthy employment economy.

  • concernedcitizen posted at 9:00 pm on Sun, May 5, 2013.

    concernedcitizen Posts: 2530

    Do you own a business? I didn't think so. are you against status quo? I DIDN'T THINK SO!!!!!!! Now, do you want to know where the anger comes from? Loose your business!!! Have you ever had your life made so miserable for speaking up that you loose YOUR family because you opened your mouth? YOU have NO freaking idea what these people are capable of and are willing to do to keep the status quo.

  • Randy Myers posted at 8:27 pm on Sun, May 5, 2013.

    Randy Myers Posts: 1635

    I'm posting here again. I agree with some here about the blog posts that I am not usually *with* politically (Brent Regan being prime example ).

    Unfortunately some still don't get it. I have referred a couple from other threads to this editorial. When discourse stoops to name calling it limits the discourse.

    @concerned citizen....That's an old, worn argument, that is a rationalization. Please read Brent Regan's final line. I don't know if that's original with him or borrowed but it fits you to a T.

    "If you wish to speak without consequence for your words then the words you speak will be of no consequence. "

  • concernedcitizen posted at 6:41 pm on Sun, May 5, 2013.

    concernedcitizen Posts: 2530

    My question is, is the CDAPress going to report the disdain and contempt of the mayor, select council members, city employees, and other government employees or past eployees and stakeholders toward their constituents or is this just only geared toward those that comment online?

    If you were truly honest with yourself you would understand and honestly report where the hatred and anger comes from. We are in the greatest depression since the GREAT depression and our government just keeps spending and spending while people are loosing their jobs and homes.

    It is easy to speak up if one is FOR the stakeholders and the status quo because that is the side with balance of power at the moment. This area has a way of upsetting the lives of those that disagree with the status quo and you wonder why people hide. Not everyone is independently wealthy but we should still have the right to speak up against inequity and government corruption without fear of losing business, even though the powers that be claim there is no corruption nor inequity..

  • Brent Regan posted at 2:38 pm on Sun, May 5, 2013.

    Brent Regan Posts: 664

    Mike’s perspicacity is impressive. He has correctly recognized that the novelty of anonymous blogging is waning as people recognize that fear is a weak replacement for respect. Opinions whispered from behind a curtain will never be valued as greatly as those spoken in the harsh light of the public square.

    If you wish to speak without consequence for your words then the words you speak will be of no consequence.

  • searcher posted at 10:22 am on Sun, May 5, 2013.

    searcher Posts: 365

    Thank you Cda Press! When I first discovered the online comments, I had hoped it would be a place to really have enlightening discussions - a place to share ideas and understand the diversity of world views that make up our community. I gave up a while ago because I was becoming cynical and began to believe that North Idaho had turned into a wild eyed raving pit of hatred as represented by many of the commenters on these pages. I have to believe that these are the vocal minority, and that our community is better than that. I truly look forward to the opportunity to ask questions that will be answered openly, honestly and without malice, vitriol or demonization. We are, after all, a plurality of opinion, religion, creed, ideology and culture. Dialogue brings understanding, and understanding brings mutual respect, and allows us to forge paths to the future that incorporate the best of diverse ideas. No single group has the best ideas, no single ideology can solve all the problems, no single world view has all the answers. It is together that we are strongest, most innovative and most prosperous.

  • ANesse posted at 10:11 am on Sun, May 5, 2013.

    ANesse Posts: 38

    This is such wonderful news on a beautiful North Idaho Sunday morning! And all the commentators are being polite as well. Sometimes we need to stand back and look at the whole picture. Name calling and impoliteness when observed in any situation neither solves problems or really entertains us. When I see it I am reminded of North Idaho's past reputation. Now maybe we can look forward to a brighter one? This is not censorship but common sense.

  • LTRLTR posted at 9:37 am on Sun, May 5, 2013.

    LTRLTR Posts: 1171

    "vile comments go back to the RR run web-smear site" ... Dave Chamberlain comes out attacking...hmm....

  • LTRLTR posted at 9:33 am on Sun, May 5, 2013.

    LTRLTR Posts: 1171

    Weasels, cajones is the exact comments that I really hate.

  • LTRLTR posted at 9:32 am on Sun, May 5, 2013.

    LTRLTR Posts: 1171

    Dan English: I also agree with you. I really hate belittling comments that insult a person's character without supporting facts.

  • LTRLTR posted at 9:30 am on Sun, May 5, 2013.

    LTRLTR Posts: 1171

    Deniles: Your comments are very factual.

  • DaveChamberlain posted at 9:20 am on Sun, May 5, 2013.

    DaveChamberlain Posts: 17

    Why do some people scream "censorship" when an organization decides that their communication vehicle is being misused to the point of losing readership. It is business, pure and simple. Someone at the press finally came to the realization that threats and bullying are just not conducive to readership. I read one of the posts here where a regular bully was trying to compare D.F. Oliveria's site with the Cda Press free-for-all. It is in no way the same thing. But, Dave keeps an even hand on his guests comments. I have never stepped over his line and been "coolered," although sometimes after reading my posts, I kind of wish he would have.

    All in all I will come back and give the comments section a try using my real name again (Per Mary) and hope to have good discussions again and let the vile comments go back to the RR run web-smear site.

  • Miketeague posted at 8:47 am on Sun, May 5, 2013.

    Miketeague Posts: 2248

    Freedom of speech and of the press and the right to dissent is the very foundation of our constitution. So anytime censorship rears its ugly head I get worried, when a news paper whose existence depends on this freedom is the entity doing the censorship it seems even more insidious. With that said I am reminded that as a society we cannot tolerate someone yelling fire in a crowded theater. It is my opinion that some of the people the Press has censored crossed the yelling fire line making the action justified and necessary. I just hope the Press fully understands its responsibility and uses the censor button very cautiously and in the case of threats contacts law enforcement.

  • Mary Souza posted at 8:41 am on Sun, May 5, 2013.

    Mary Souza Posts: 807

    I applaud your efforts to limit personal attacks and keep the conversation focused on the issues. Encouraging people to use their real names might help too.

  • librtyhuntr posted at 8:13 am on Sun, May 5, 2013.

    librtyhuntr Posts: 317

    It does not matter what the majority supports because america is not a democracy it is a constitutional republic that protects the rights of every citizen no matter what their beliefs. granted these weasels on here with their slime talk would not have the cajones to say that in public in front of people,This is your arena you can be the print police I guess, but I must defend the right to say eristic speech.We will all see if this perfunctory move has an effect on your credibility....

  • Dan English posted at 7:35 am on Sun, May 5, 2013.

    Dan English Posts: 170

    The "new and improved" atmosphere is greatly appreciated. And it's not so much new as just a chance to return to good old fashioned discussions with some reasonable boundaries that are not always attack based.

  • DeNiles posted at 7:33 am on Sun, May 5, 2013.

    DeNiles Posts: 2450

    Censorship-manipulation-orchestration occurs when a newspaper blog/comments section uses an employee to actively direct-participate in each and every on-line discussion.

    This we see here locally with the Spokesman-Reviews' HuckleBerries On-line website. Each topic is selected and written by an employee. Every thread is edited by that employee. Every topic is monitored and its content directed by that employee. The employee adds their own commentary to each thread. Contributors who disagree with that employee of often 'coolerized' temporarily or banned outright.

    What worse still is that some people enjoy and appreciate that level of gross censorship and indoctrination.

  • ShinyRockDale posted at 6:19 am on Sun, May 5, 2013.

    ShinyRockDale Posts: 26

    Well said! I hope many read this and join in civil discourse.

  • Randy Myers posted at 1:33 am on Sun, May 5, 2013.

    Randy Myers Posts: 1635

    Thank you !

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