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McEUEN: Editorial ‘a cheap shot’

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Posted: Sunday, May 25, 2014 12:00 am

In your May 23 editorial, you wrote, “Wonder what the anti-McEuenites think now?”

This is a cheap shot, unworthy of your publication.

It’s my understanding that the people who voted Mr. Edinger, Mr. Adams, and me into office in 2011 — and by great margins — were not “anti-McEuenites.” While a handful of people did express a desire for nothing to happen at McEuen, we represented a majority who simply wanted a public advisory vote.

We represented people who would have preferred a more open, honest process to redevelopment of McEuen Field.

We represented people who felt that the total cost — a number that constantly fluctuated — should be more reasonable.

The new park will be enjoyed by everyone. Although it didn’t happen the way I would have preferred, I welcome its success. Therefore, what’s your point in dredging up the animosity of the past and labeling people? Would you prefer that the Park serve as an on-going reminder of how this town was once bitterly divided, or are you willing to put differences behind us and celebrate what nearly everyone agrees was a much-needed improvement to a downtown resource?


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  • jmowreader posted at 10:52 pm on Fri, May 30, 2014.

    jmowreader Posts: 1165

    I think you're absolutely wrong. The problem with the baseball field: no one, outside of the friends and relatives of the few kids to earn positions on an American Legion baseball team (three years ago, that was 55 boys), ever attended those games. American Legion Baseball season is only a couple months long, and the field stood empty any time a game wasn't in progress...which is almost all the time.

    After a game was over, what happened? The opposing team and their parents drove to a fast food joint on Appleway, grabbed a quick bite, and drove home. Total economic impact per game: a couple hundred gallons of gas to get home on and a few Big Macs.

    Result: we spent tens of thousand dollars a year maintaining a huge piece of flat ground for the benefit of, at most, a couple hundred people. On a purely economic basis, if you wanted to maximize revenue for us stake holders you would demand they rebuild the sawmill. If nothing else you'd get a few hundred jobs out of the thing.

  • Noah Simone posted at 9:26 am on Thu, May 29, 2014.

    Noah Simone Posts: 43

    Great comments! My family and love the Coeur d'Alene downtown library and have been able to watch the park through the entire development process. It is amazing. :-)

  • concernedcitizen posted at 7:50 am on Thu, May 29, 2014.

    concernedcitizen Posts: 2530

    YO, jj, The fact WERE put out there many times by many people but even the sorry excuses of "NEWS" in this area obscured, omitted and/or deleted facts. There are many in this community that have had their business boycotted, have been publicly chastised, ridiculed and defamed to hide the true intentions of the stakeholders in this community. You are smoking crack, have some serious dementia OR you as well have something to gain if you do not see it.

  • JimmyJohn posted at 6:52 pm on Wed, May 28, 2014.

    JimmyJohn Posts: 276

    No, I was not 100% behind the old council, probably not even 50%, actually not even a fan of Sandi Bloem. What I don't like is people pulling things out of thin air, making facts up, creating rumors, innuendo, and posing every sentence with a question mark at the end and claiming it as a fact. If you are going to say something about an individual have some facts to back it up. Allege a wrong doing, alleged the person who has done, and don't hide behind question marks or what you think is the truth.

  • Miketeague posted at 9:14 am on Wed, May 28, 2014.

    Miketeague Posts: 2012

    Jimmy, who put sand in your shorts? Of course, the legacy comment is not in print, Kennedy stated it during a Council meeting and what is worse you know it. I suppose Bloem never stated “no taxpayer money” and the 40m to16m back up to 20m because the McEuen team wanted it never happen either. Councilman Gookin didn’t blast anyone he simply pointed out that the paper was wrong to insult so many people simply because we did not feel we were being properly represented on this issue by the then city council. Dan’s stance was not that the park didn’t need to be improved, but that to spend that much taxpayer money a public vote should have been done. Is the finished product nice, sure it is, well maybe except for the rainbow gate way. Will I and others visit it, maybe if we have the money to be in that part of town. Like I said the New City Council including Dan are doing what they can to heal wounds. The press is trying to sell papers and needs controversy to do so, we just think this was the wrong one to use. One question for you Mr. John were you really 100% behind the old council and everything they did?
    Oh and talking about cheap shots, aligning me with Opencda, that’s proof that aerial spraying of prozac might really need to be considered

  • cd1013 posted at 7:33 am on Wed, May 28, 2014.

    cd1013 Posts: 157

    I personally still think it's an eye sore and expensive waste of many. Sure there are those patting themselves on the back and winking. Cd'A allowed McKuen to deteriorate right at the door step of City Hall. Never forget this those in the "rah rah" crowd, we'll be paying for this park for many years to come.

  • JimmyJohn posted at 6:56 pm on Tue, May 27, 2014.

    JimmyJohn Posts: 276

    concernedcitizen, facts do not end in question marks, questions end in question marks.

  • SKGOP posted at 6:36 pm on Tue, May 27, 2014.

    SKGOP Posts: 286

    Today wife and I were downtown and she says.....let's go by McKuen park and see how it turned out. all we can say....Amazingly wonderful. True, tourists do not come to any town for a park, BUT....Seattle has its' Pikes Market. Atlantic City has its' boardwalk. Now CDA has McKuen Park. It will not take long before word gets out. What a great addition to a city like CDA. And never under estimate quality. The PRICE is long forgotten once product is delivered. Product is "top notch".

  • Cdajon posted at 5:29 pm on Tue, May 27, 2014.

    Cdajon Posts: 364

    I meant to say savvy :-)

  • Cdajon posted at 5:21 pm on Tue, May 27, 2014.

    Cdajon Posts: 364

    Nippers and Meyerstien will benefit greatly.. And their snotty kids.

  • Cdajon posted at 5:20 pm on Tue, May 27, 2014.

    Cdajon Posts: 364

    I think we should tear down and rebuild the baseball field downtown. More revenue for us stake holders.

  • concernedcitizen posted at 2:56 pm on Tue, May 27, 2014.

    concernedcitizen Posts: 2530

    Hey jj, the people of CdA were told that the cost would not be more than $14 million by the previous mayor and select council members.

    Wasn't it a council members boss and bosses partner that bought the B of A building right across from the park while the partner was a seated LCDC board member? Didn't this go down just prior to the announcement by the previous mayor that there were no plans for McEuen?

    How about current elected officials? What else was purchased just prior to the announcement of the park and now in position to benefit at taxpayer expense?

    I guess some cannot tell the difference between fact and opinion. ;)

  • JimmyJohn posted at 12:39 pm on Tue, May 27, 2014.

    JimmyJohn Posts: 276

    Maybe it is a generational disconnect, but you geriatrics need to learn how to correctly express yourselves through the written word. Miketeague said there was an announcement that the park would cost $20m while at the same time announcing that it would be Kennedy and Bloems legacy. I was just just curious as to where this announcement was. Call me on my opinions and ill give you some facts, a trend which is difficult for many of you. I am not censoring anyone, just asking people to back up their unsubstantiated comments.

  • Jullee posted at 11:01 am on Tue, May 27, 2014.

    Jullee Posts: 539

    Well stated Dan Gookin. No one was against leaving the Park to deteriorate the way the city had. The people just wanted common sense spending and knowing it could be fixed up and improved for a fraction of the cost. Just wait til the water pumps need to be replaced or fixed.
    Has the city given a price to what it is going to cost to maintain this now ? Including electricity and hiring new employees.

  • Always Curious posted at 10:04 am on Tue, May 27, 2014.

    Always Curious Posts: 460

    JJ, what a piece of work you are. Sorry there sport but HBO (where its hard to tell the blogger from the trolls) is the place for censorship and trashing, on here you'll get called on your "opinion".

  • JimmyJohn posted at 9:09 am on Tue, May 27, 2014.

    JimmyJohn Posts: 276

    What do you people not understand? $5 an hour is not the current average wage in CdA and it is not the current minimum wage. And calling me a fool for at some point earning $5 an hour plus tips? Did it ever cross your mind that I might not be as old as you?

    Serious improving on our $5.00 an hour wage? Yes this matter is so serious even though we addressed it about 15 years ago when minimum wage was increased above $5 an hour.

  • Fly in the ointment posted at 8:25 am on Tue, May 27, 2014.

    Fly in the ointment Posts: 606

    bad link

  • Fly in the ointment posted at 8:22 am on Tue, May 27, 2014.

    Fly in the ointment Posts: 606

    McTired of hearing about it...

    Jimmy John...apparently not tired of Mchearing about it...

  • SKGOP posted at 6:10 am on Tue, May 27, 2014.

    SKGOP Posts: 286

    One thing i learned by the time i left high school was......You get no place fast having any discussion with a fool. JJ is an example of someone i would never have a discuusion concerning anything after my graduation some 50+ years ago. Example.....average hourly wage of CDA resident $5.00. Maybe his, not mine. And Lord help all of us if JJ is CDA average resident. Enough already though. Gookin is right. It is what it is. Beautiful park, beautifully done, nothing is perfect and fifty years from now no one will remember. For those who object to its cost, well my friend, you have choices. If you own property you can sell it and leave. For those who are just renters, you can leave. For those who just like to complain, you can get over it. Everyone else will simply go about our daily lives and deal with more serious improving on our $5.00 an hour wage....

  • JimmyJohn posted at 5:51 pm on Mon, May 26, 2014.

    JimmyJohn Posts: 276

    What nerve? You continually spout non-sense and I realize that some of us need corrections now and again, call it a charitable mood. You are right though, I am feeling guilty about giving you a hard time. At first I just thought you were misinformed but I am actually seeing its just ignorance. How did I drive out the livable blue collar jobs, and who are these people making sub minimum wage that you speak of? I grew up in CdA, I worked at minimum wages jobs and I worked at jobs earnings tips (when all was said and done it was always about $20-$25 an hour, far from the sub minimum wage you speak of). Some of my tipped jobs were for $3.35 an hour, some of my jobs were for $5 and hour and some were for $8 an hour. Some jobs I had were not for tips, they were labor jobs earning the federal minimum wage, sometimes up to $15 an hour. But guess what, I got an education, I learned skills, and I no longer earn minimum wage.

    Like I said earlier, if you are so concerned with minimum wage go talk to you buddies Souza and Sims. I am sure they would love to talk with you about theirs plans to increase minimum wage in Idaho.....

  • concernedcitizen posted at 5:21 pm on Mon, May 26, 2014.

    concernedcitizen Posts: 2530

    All in the name of "PROGRESS" of course. ;)

  • concernedcitizen posted at 5:18 pm on Mon, May 26, 2014.

    concernedcitizen Posts: 2530

    WHOA jj. looks like we struck a nerve eh? If you are not feeling guilty you should. The likes of you drove out the livable wage blue collar jobs to be replaced with SUB minimum wage slave labor wages just to tax people out of their homes that have been in their families for decades so that YOU can profit. Are you one of those slumlords that like to occupy public office?

  • JimmyJohn posted at 1:59 pm on Mon, May 26, 2014.

    JimmyJohn Posts: 276

    Show me one place in print that states the park was announced as a legacy to Kennedy and Bloem and maybe you will have some validity in your statement, otherwise just sounds like some opencda hogwash to me.

  • JimmyJohn posted at 1:56 pm on Mon, May 26, 2014.

    JimmyJohn Posts: 276

    I know several servers in town that earn more than $3.35 per hour, so again you are incorrect. You claimed $5 is the average wage of the CdA taxpayer, but site sources to the contrary ($3.35 plus tips will take you over $5 and a $10 an hour construction worker is above $5). Also any retail worker is paid at least the federal minimum wage, which is again more than $5 an hour.

    Since you are known as a big Souza supporter, now that she may be a state senator why don't you call her and your other buddy Sims out to raise the minimum wage for these people you act so "concerned" for? Or is this just another example of how full of it you are?

  • petand posted at 11:05 am on Mon, May 26, 2014.

    petand Posts: 139

    All I know is I'm looking forward to the Idiots Guide to McEuen Park.

  • Miketeague posted at 8:47 am on Mon, May 26, 2014.

    Miketeague Posts: 2012

    JJ on this issue I think you have gone off the track, pointing out a wrong does not make you a part of the wrong. The paper threw out an insult without any consideration as to why those of us “anti-McEuenites” were opposed to the park. If you remember the first estimates were around $40,000,000 then as a compromise dropped to $16,000,000 then back up to $20,000,000 while announcing this is Kennedy’s and Bloom’s Legacy. Is the park pretty, no question there, probably one of the nicest in the state. Could Coeur d’Alene afford it, no. The new administration is trying to bring the city back together and heal old wounds, the paper does not help when it pours salt on those wounds.

  • concernedcitizen posted at 8:46 am on Mon, May 26, 2014.

    concernedcitizen Posts: 2530

    And now we can tell who one of the stakeholders is eh there jj? Don't like people having a say huh? And yes, ask any server in town what they are paid per hour. $3.35 per hour plus their tips. Ask any retail worker in CdA what their pay is there jj. You will find it is LESS than $10 per hour. Ask most construction workers or other manual labor what their pay is in relation to the same in WA there jj. You tell me how one can afford a multi million dollar condo here if they are not making millions per year genius. Cant do in on pennies you know.

  • Miketeague posted at 8:14 am on Mon, May 26, 2014.

    Miketeague Posts: 2012

    They saved $50,000 and spent $20,000,000, works for me.

  • JimmyJohn posted at 7:26 am on Mon, May 26, 2014.

    JimmyJohn Posts: 276

    also what stakeholders are you suggesting make $20 for a few seconds work? By my calculations $20 a few seconds is $600 an hour, $24,000 a week, and $1.25 million a year. would you say everything that comes out of your mouth is total BS or about 99 percent?

  • JimmyJohn posted at 7:22 am on Mon, May 26, 2014.

    JimmyJohn Posts: 276

    Gookin blasts the Press for dredging up the past and what does he do in his letter? Dredge up the past.
    Gookin blasts the Press for a cheap shot and what does he do with this letter? His own cheap shot.
    Gookin claims the majority of citizens wanted a public advisory vote, but now says nearly everyone agrees the park was a much-needed improvement to a downtown resource.

    Hey keyboard commando, hypocrite much?

  • JimmyJohn posted at 7:17 am on Mon, May 26, 2014.

    JimmyJohn Posts: 276

    the average CdA tax payer makes $5 an hour?

  • concernedcitizen posted at 7:07 am on Mon, May 26, 2014.

    concernedcitizen Posts: 2530


    Twenty dollars may be a few seconds wages to the likes of the stakeholders in this town but it is two, three and, in most cases, four hours labor of the average Coeur d'Alene taxpayer. One half of a days labor that could pay necessary bills. Something you obviously cannot relate to. Twenty dollars could also be a homeless persons income for a couple of weeks.

    It is all relative my friend. $20 MILLION could have done a lot of good for this community instead of being used for fluff to make a select few slumlords even wealthier

  • Intrepid posted at 6:32 am on Mon, May 26, 2014.

    Intrepid Posts: 1050

    Any government that refuses or avoids listening to the will of the people does not represent the people. An advisory vote on such a major issue would've fined tuned our leaders understanding of what this community really wanted and they should abide by that will. So, now this city takes on a future vision of just a few 'well connected' souls and not necessarily what the majority of the citizens who live here may have desired. Proof positive that cronyism is robustly in play right here at home.

    Enjoy the park. Keep in mind what it is costing you in lost basic services and other civil needs. As each new fiscal referendum comes to us in the future tell is solicitors to take their needs to McEuen - that is what they bought instead - like it or not. Right Bloem?

  • jmowreader posted at 12:05 am on Mon, May 26, 2014.

    jmowreader Posts: 1165

    What would have been the point of this vote? The answer would have been no. You know it would have been. Advisory votes aren't binding, so the city could have (and would have) gone ahead with the park regardless of the inevitable negative outcome. And then the recall would have been about "ignoring the will of the people by ignoring the advisory vote" (which was invented to be ignored anyway) instead of "ignoring the will of the people by not having an advisory vote at all."

    The result would have been the same whether they wasted fifty grand on a meaningless vote or not, but by NOT holding the meaningless vote they saved enough to afford a police officer for a year or something else the city could have used.

  • Ziggy posted at 9:23 am on Sun, May 25, 2014.

    Ziggy Posts: 1119

    As usual, Dan Gookin takes the high road. Good letter.

  • concernedcitizen posted at 8:34 am on Sun, May 25, 2014.

    concernedcitizen Posts: 2530

    Well said Councilman Gookin. I must disagree with mike. It may be a done deal but we must ALWAYS remember the modus operandi of the "PUBLIC SERVANTS" and their stakeholders friends that were in favor without question to achieve their goal to prevent such deception in the future.

    Thank you council members Adams, Edinger and Gookin for being a voice of reason.

  • Miketeague posted at 8:00 am on Sun, May 25, 2014.

    Miketeague Posts: 2012

    Well said Dan, but please keep in mind that a lot of print news has gone the way of broadcast news. Instead of “investigating and then reporting”, they seem to try to create controversy and sensationalism where there is none. McEuen is done and it is past time to move on.

  • Flash Gordon posted at 6:29 am on Sun, May 25, 2014.

    Flash Gordon Posts: 1242

    I believe Dan Gookin has expressed the views of the vast majority of people that have followed this issue ever since it became an issue. Apparently the supporters of those that rejected the notion of an advisory vote still don't get it. What else is there to say ceptIn' obtuseness is next to godliness in the halls of power in our community.

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